9 Broly Utterly Ruined Gohan Buutenks doesn't have Yes, he can hang, but that was still a sparring match. Also Janemba would definitely be a lot stronger than Buuhan. Hirudegarn starts in his transformed state, Hirudegarn won't get weakened by intense emotion. But still, IMO EoZ Goku like the final moments where he powers up into SS1 for the last time is the strongest character in Z, stronger than any version of Buu, so still going with Hirudegarn. Buutenks vs Gohan Buu (超ブピンクス VS 超ブウ) - Duration: 3:24. If you disregard that statement which is also another logical course of action, then Buuhan would have a lot better of a chance. And Buuhan is way stronger than Gohan anyway. Goke implied that his power was far beyond Buus and he was able to put up a really good fight against Buutenks in the anime at least. Though Gohan had gotten much weaker due to not training after the Cell Games, he became stronger than he ever has after his potential was unlocked from Old Kaiō-shin. Trunks Ultra/Grade 3 – 960 Million – Stated stronger than Cell, but Cell uses his own Ultra form against Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. Originally Answered: A debater said Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan. In the manga, Gohan goes up against Kefla, the fusion of the two Universe 6 Saiyans, Caulifla and Kale. However Kid buu is stronger than Super buu in anime In Anime Goku was Confident he could Fight base Super Buu. Super Buu + Gohan - since ultimate Gohan > any Z fighter including Goku, he became the strongest of them all, they needed Vegito just to deal with him, that should give you a hint how strong he was. He asked to fight Son Goten and Trunks, and after trying to stall him (during which time Super Buu unleashed the Human Extinction Attack and k… I don't think Hirudegarn is stronger then Janemba, I believe one of the guys under Koyama stated Janemba was the strongest movie villain before Koyama said Broly was. The Super Saiyan 2s and Gotenks were more impressive than he was. Son Gohan as a Super Saiyan. @panda_emperorix: Yes. When Buutenks fusion wore off, Goku stated that fusion was no … Buuhan should be a lot stronger then Buutenks, By the logic of literally adding Ultimate Gohan's power on top of his power that was already greater, Could be even more then just a stack , based on how Fusion multipliers operate. Anime Goku performed much better than Gohan against Buutenks. Especially considering both are magical in nature. Hirudegarn then lost to SSJ3 Goku, who Bootenks and Boohan defeated. I mean it would be a lot smarter for Trunks and Goten to fuse and became gotenks ssj3 and give … Buutenks was obviously stronger than Gohan, but Gohan was fighting incredibly sloppy and making far too many mistakes. SSj Gotenks [post-RoSaT]: 100 SSj3 Gotenks: 400 Super Boo: 400 Gotenks-Boo [SSj Gotenks]: 500 Ultimate Gohan: 520-560 Even with the high end for Gohan, he'd still only be 1.12x stronger than Gotenks-Boo, and since Boo will absorb if he knows he can't win, he'd win. Another update, another new Banner for Dragon Ball Legends, featuring Ultimate Gohan and Buutenks, a pair that might make you recall their very short Dragon Ball Z fight, however this Ultimate Gohan variant is from Dragon Ball Super instead, an interesting choice considering Gohan’s adventures in DBS are not really worth remembering. Hirudegarn literally just squeezed Gohan and got K.O. I don't know why people think any form of Buu was stronger than Janemba. Gohan is the supposed son of Goku and Chi Chi and one of the most popular characters in the Dragon Ball Franchise. So, it was L A T E R proven to be F A L S E that B U U T E N K S is the S T R O N G E S T majin. Here's how it works. Some of the stuff you said isn't quite true (I haven't gotten that far in the anime yet, but I own the manga). I guess I shouldn't be surprised, it's not like Old Kai's Powerup made him a smarter fighter, but it was just something I noticed after watching the fight again recently. Even though Dragon Ball ends with Gohan as the strongest unfused character, he’s not so much overpowered at the end of the Buu arc as he is just stronger than anyone else around. Although Gohan thinks little of it at the time, Goku claims he wants to train Gohan to be even stronger than him. Who Goku himself stated was only one-shot like that because he was off guard. Considering the struggles that Goku goes through with Frost, it appears that Piccolo is more powerful than Goku's base form, but perhaps not any stronger than that. Even IF Hirudegarn can't do that despite SSJ3 Gotenks being able to replicate the feat on a smaller level. The movie was great though, one of the better ones and actually had a surprisingly good story. Because Buuhan is stronger than Buutenks, who at that time, was the strongest majin. Hirudegarn is outclassed in power, and most definitely in speed. Why does the anime version lose? Buutenks was already above Ultimate Gohan and Buuhan should be to a way greater extent, He also has that dimension collapsing feat. He still has nothing putting him over Boohan, as they are both above Gohan and that's all we can say. Boo gets stronger than Gohan by absorbing Gotenks, and even stronger than that by absorbing Gohan. Its plausible that Janemba was the strongest villain before GT. In the Manga He Stated Gohan Can beat him Gohan is the Strongest Unfused Fighter in the buu saga. The first time was with the Elder Namekian, also known as Guru on Planet Namek, and the second time was with the Elder Supreme Kai back in Dragon Ball Z. 1 RIP Gohan 2 TEST OF LUCK 3 Beyond Level 30 4 Gohan Doesn't Deserve This Disrespect 5 No MVP Leaders 6 Want Level 100? While Gotenks is still active inside of him, Majin Buu uses the raw power of the fusion to put Ultimate Gohan in his place. 17 isn't there either. Actually, he was. Buu and Gotenks are about equal, so Buutenks wouldn't trash Gohan like he did if Gohan was twice as strong. The anime plays up Gohan’s role as the lead with a bit more gusto, including a shot between Gohan & Buutenks that directly references Goku & Vegeta’s fight from the Saiyan arc. As it is, present Trunks only does gravity training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, and only for a little bit. The Androids should've been no stronger than, at best, initial Freeza. Easiest scaling is assuming Ultra is 1.5x Super Saiyan's power. @wushu59: It didn't give Vegito any trouble because he didn't have to tank it. Buutenks is a completely different story, however. Janemba also has much better reality warping feats than Buu could hope to imagine. If you accept V Jump statements as usable, Buuhan is stated to be as strong as SS3, and the only way this would be consistent if it's referring to EoZ SS3 otherwise it's ridiculous. Gohan had his power unlock twice. Movie characters are stronger then anime versions of the same era like ssj3 is universe level in the janemba movie but in the anime no such feats or scaling happens in regards to super saiyan 3 goku. Buuhan scales massively above SSJ3 DBZ Goku so Buuhn ahould win, Hirudegarn seem to be the most unmemorable villain of the super saiyan era. Hirudegarn also one shot Ultimate Gohan with his incomplete legs. There's no way Buuhan could one shot Buutenks like he did to an off guard Tien. Ultimate Gohan is significantly stronger than either of those two, having beaten up Evil Boo pretty easily. It's literally Goku's Godblast along with Spirit Bomb aswell. Gohan’s defeat also allows Super Saiyan God to come off all the better. Traditionally, Gohan has always been much more down to earth than the other Saiyans. Kid Buu ≈ SSJ3 Goku < SSJ3 Gotenks ≈ Super Buu < Mystic Gohan. Then finally, Super Vegetto is stronger than all of the above, easily pummeling Gohan-Boo and making him look like a chump. Gotenks was equal with super buu that it was far stronger than super buu.And ofcorse Gohan that was stronger than Gotenks is obvious that was also stronger than Super Buu. Vegito > Buuhan > Buutenks > Gohan > Buuiccolo > Super Buu ~ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku ~ Kid Buu > original Fat Buu ... Not sure about that. @YahBoyGoku shared a post on Instagram: “Super GOKHAN vs BuuTenks ( art credit @chry_insi_art )” • Follow their account to see 3,812 posts. he states that he and Gohan together can defeat base Super Buu with little trouble. Super Boo with Gohan and Gotenks Vs. Janemba. Since, there is no way to calculate how strong fusion is, we substitute this formula. was not that simple. Goku was able to hold back Buutenks, indicating some impressive power. I always took the “he looks mentally weakened” quote as the moment he sensed Gohan, he did say that he sensed Gohan even before Gohan was done powering up. It's either a stalemate as neither can significantly harm or kill the other. Hirudegarn oneshotted Mystic Gohan, which Boohan could do as well. Hiruedgarn doesn't any feats to compete with him. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. ! Buuhan cause he actually was an univeral threat. At the minimum, he's stacking Gohan's entire power on to his own, which should be enough to oneshot, Could be even more then that, if we use the fusion multiplier logic, I think it's safer to go with the guy with better feats, Buuhan's Dimension Shatter is pretty much above any feat of Hirudegarn, Even Vegito had to get serious at that moment. This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. It was still a better showing against Buutenks than was expected of Gohan. I still think SBuu is stronger than MAXIMUM Gotenks who I also think isn't that much stronger than Goku if at all. Vegeta states that "Gohan was stronger than this w… This is however proven to be false. Gohan is stronger than Goku for sure, but he isn't THAT much stronger. This comparison alone stands to reason that Super Buu is in fact stronger than Kid Buu, and was only overpowered when he faced Ultimate Gohan. Didn't Hirudegarn go down to a dragon fist from Ssj3 Goku? @takenstew22: I'll also reiterate that Hirudegarn wasnt even fully transformed when he one shot Gohan there. Apparently Super Buu was stated to be equal to Fat Buu in power, only now his body is better suited for fighting Gohan and Gotenks are never actually stated to be stronger than Goku in either the manga or guidebooks (the guidebooks actually rule Goku out of the chain). Gohan is not stronger than Buutenks. It is clear that his human blood causes him to think more rationally and care less for fighting than … Piccolo puts on an even greater display of his power in the lead-up to the Tournament of Power by … (I think that means that he's referring to the strongest version of Cell, Super Perfect Cell, because Goku tends to refer back to his enemies as their strongest or last seen form). But now that I think about it it's more about him just not being able to teleport around rather than affecting his durability. So, there is proof, that SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Ultimate Gohan, who was in fact stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. For the best answers, search on this site https://shorturl.im/WMPQ4. I've also said several times he's not blue level. Gohan with this power up was even stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks since he was able to dominate Super Buu with ease without transforming. "When he at the mic you don't go next" MF DOOM. Goku said that there was a guy called Cell a few years back and that Dabura is about the same strength as him. Dabura was never said to be as strong as Perfect Cell before self-desctructing. As Janemba did show up after the Buu Saga and fought a much stronger Goku. Other than that, he is the strongest base version of Majin Buu to ever exist. Vegito overpowered it but he was still freaking out on how it would collapse the Universe if he didn't switch to high gear. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! I dunno man I'm not thinking clearly atm and am using my 14 hour work day as an excuse to bail. Another point to see is that present Trunks (kid version) is stronger than … Actually Gohan is stronger, but not by far. And yet he didn't. Hirudegarn also one shot Ultimate Gohan with his incomplete legs. Liam Miller Productions 86,277 views. Hirudegarn lacks feats to win here, he only wins if he scales to other movie characters. How Strong is Ultimate Gohan. Buuhan is obviously much more powerful then the former. Yes, Buutenks eventually overpowered him but that came after a bit of attrition, and even then Buu got into his mind. Yes, while Goku exploded his weakness to intense emotion. It’s such an incredible transformation that Goku surpasses his son’s Ultimate state, which was already leagues stronger than anything Goku had access to. The only point where Gohan is clearly in another league is for one major fight about 200 episodes in, after which time 7 years pass, with Goku training almost constantly and Gohan not training at all, so Goku takes the lead again. As someone mentioned earlier. Would still be able to put up some kind of a fight. I doubt Buutenks would fodderize Mystic Gohan the same way Hirudegarn did. And what do you think of Buu possibly absorbing Hirudegarn? Very High Sealer, links with Super Vegito and SS3 Gotenks High Sealer Medium Healer. On a side note, Super Buu is in fact the "alternative" version of Kid Buu with the Grand Supreme Kai absorbed. He did not kill Mr. Satan, however, as part of Good Buu inside him remembered Satan, so he went to Kami's Lookout (as he could now sense energy signatures). Now buutenks tried that to goku but it didnt work, goku is a fighter. Gohan and buutenks were on par with each other, but buutenks had mind-tricked gohan and brought his power level down enough to beat him. If Super Buu is 50 then Gotenks is 80 and Gohan is 100. Kid Buu ≈ SSJ3 Goku < SSJ3 Gotenks ≈ Super Buu < Mystic Gohan. Exactly, Dragon Fist is literally like, Goku at his absolute and utter peak and not a level of power he can actively output. 3:24. @wushu59: He can't be THAT much stronger though. 3 years ago. No. Buuhan wins. In reality Gohan is the son of El Grande Padrewho saw in him great power (far too great) and feared he would be overthrown as the ruler of the Universe and he sought to kill him. Here's how it works. We know Gohan is stronger than Buu-Piccolo & Super Buu because Gohan easily handled Super Buu. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. Trunks cocky statement means little to me personally. Gohan does become stronger than Goku, but not necessarily significantly so. Goku got bodied in quick succession in the anime, aside from one sneak attack Gohan survived a full episode . In Anime for a Short time he held his own against Buutenks.. Ultimate Gohan is a transformation achieved by Son Gohan after Elder Kaiōshin unlocked his potential. And the version of Goku who fought Hirudegarn was the strongest he could have been before GT. Super Buu + Gotenks - stronger than Super Buu due the fact that that he absorbed a handful raw force, i cant remember, does Buutenks runs out of time? Max equal power levels added together and multiplied by 2 is the base fusion. In Manga he He Stood no chance against Buutenks. @wushu59: Because fusion was needed to defeat Janemba. The idea that the next generation will alway be stronger than the last is one that Dragon Ball hammers in as early as the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai. In fact Gohan was actually able to hang with Buutenks a bit. (35 votes) 35. Both Vegetto and Buutenks/Buuhan outclass him showing that it’s possible to surpass him, … Buutenks can ran out of time R2: Bloodlusted match. Fight takes place in hell R1: In character. But this Goku was literally the last version of Goku before Dragon Ball GT. Gohan escaped and sought revenge against El Grande Padre for the suffering he caused his friends and family and together with Shaggy and Cell Doradodefeated him and Gohan beca… Hirudegarn had two shown forms outside of the Cocoon. Dragon Ball; Dragon Ball Super; Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! Hirudegarn should win via movie scaling and the fact he beat movie ultimate Gohan. As I said before, SSJ3 Goku had to weaken him and he used an attack that hits far above his pay grade aswell (Dragon Fist). ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Goku & gohan may have been op potara fused. His conclusion was that Buu Saga Goku gained a huge amount of Zenkais to surpass Buuhan. @panda_emperorix: Yes. And I don't consider Wrath of Dragon as same timeline as Fusion Reborn. in out of five matches goku would win three. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Think this fusion would have been stronger than vegito gohan was already stronger than goku & vegeta. I said Goku was far weaker than Super Buu because Goku suggested fusion inside Buus body. Exactly. Click to expand... Not really. Goku passing the torch onto Gohan during the Cell Games is a clear actualization of this philosophy, bringing one of Dragon Ball ’s … There would be a comparable fight to Gohan vs Buutenks. Here is evidence of Super Buu being stronger than Kid Buu. Despite everything that Gohan was able accomplish in the Tournament of Power, the manga version of the story revealed that he was even stronger than he was shown to be. It was generally believed that, with the way his new-found power worked, that Gohan's Ki was pushed beyond it's normal limitations, "limit-breaker" if you will... aha. He shut Buu up pretty easily. It's reasonably likely Gohan is equal to Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. If you accepted that, then Hirudegarn would logically stomp considering he was able to give post Buu Saga SS3 Goku a hell of a fight. Perhaps I overstated that gap yeah. like the kids or nai? Like more powerful, miniature dodonpas, basically. Whay:because if gohan was stronger then him(goku) he could have iT GOHAN TO FIGHT KID BUU. in the Anime SSJ3 goku Held (Handled) Buutenks (gotenks buu) while Ultimate Gohan got Demolished by Buutenks but that was only a filler in the manga ssj3 goku didnt fight buutenks and mystic gohan didnt get hurt as much as the anime but he still lost but it was close..,. When he was fully evolved he had wings and an actual color scheme. This poll is now closed. Best Majin Buu Saga leader, type advantage and powerfull counters. Hirudegarn does have feats. So he becomes Buutenks and he outclass SSJ3 Goku and Gohan to the point where Goku does not even consider fighting Buutenks and goes for potara , … @takenstew22: He wasn't. Had Trunks went through gravity training like Gohan and the Saiyans, he WOULD have been MUCH stronger. Hirudegarn beating Gohan doesn't really mean much considering how nerfed he looked in the movie. How much stronger was Mystic Gohan compared to SSJ3 Gotenks. I would say Goten and Trunks are about 1/4 as strong as Vegeta or Goku. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. More than anything, Gohan’s defeat here is a great narrative tool. Hirudegarn's legs were not even fully transformed yet. Well gohan was no Mystic when he gave his energy. Obviously Gohan putting the Potara on would have fused Goku and Gohan into Gokhan or whatever you want to call him but this fusion is permanent and would cease the existence of both Goku and Gohan and so should be a last resort. Goku ssj3 (full power) was equal or more powerful than gohan in buu saga. And then we get a stronger majin later in Buuhan. remember Gotenks and Gohan both dominated base Super Buu but couldn't kill him. Gohan shows Super Saiyan 2 is far stronger than Ultra even in just raw power on top of speed. Now let's compare that to Gohan vs Hirudegarn. It's weird. Buuhan is wayyyy stronger. He just got out of his cocoon and oneshotted Gotenks before that. Many believed that it was physically impossible for Gohan to become stronger than he was against Super Buu/Buutenks... That was his "Ultimate" his peak, he couldn't get any stronger. The DBZ Movie characters have ways been a lot stronger than they were during the time in the canon that they came out. Super Buu's statements doesn't necessarily mean that Gotenks wasn't stronger. How else can I explain this? Not Bad but I think Gotenks is much closer to Buu rather than being 40 between the 2. Is super vegetto actually perfected ssj3? But this Goku was literally the last version of Goku before Dragon Ball GT. Kid Buu is the most dangerous form, not the strongest. I was very disappointed in his performance . It’s not even that. He said that he sensed Gohan's power far away and didn't want anyone to be stronger than him. He wouldn't literally get one shot like Tien did. Where Gohan was once in complete control of the fight, ready to kill Evil Buu at any point, Buutenks … The only proof that says that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu is found within the old english dub and shoddy fan translations of the manga. Boohan should win no matter how you look at it. It's like how he was able to completely shred Omega with Dragon Fist in GT yet him and Vegeta together as SS4 were getting laughed at otherwise. Gohan and especially at that point. I guess saying that Gohan and Gotenks was close is wrong despite Trunks' statement. Dragonball Z Kai Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku vs Super buu - Duration: 1:17. Gohan uses his full power and pushes Kefla to her limit. Tank and Hard hitter Very High Hard Hitter (11 ki SA!) I only put Ultimate Gohan 30-40% stronger than Super Boo. Buuhan was stronger than Buutenks only because there was no time limit. 34w 1 like Reply. 20.11%. Sep 10, 2020 #11 OLK said: Gohan survived a full episode Click to expand... Because Buu said he was holding back … That doesn't mean Buu can beat him with it. This is them in the Buu saga (Kid Buu to be exact). By the logic of literally adding Ultimate Gohan's power on top of his power that was already greater Super Buu is outclassed By Gohan. Going to blame SSJVegito for this because of his YouTube channel and how he'd literally block and delete the comments of everyone who criticized his videos and argued with him in the comment section. That doesn't mean that Hirudegarn is weaker than Buu though. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. 'd in a few seconds. Gordo solos David "Gordo" Gordon. Goku was completely unwilling to fight Super Buu and tried to quickly resort to Potara Fusion with both Gohan and Vegeta. Playing Xenovoerse on PS4 PSN Tag: Dualist721. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!! We haven't even gotten into the comparison between Gohan, Goku and Gotenks. The strength difference between buuhan and buutenks Dragon Ball / DBZ / GT Anime/Manga Chat Perfect Cell – 900 Million – Stated in data books. Lol. Now about spirit bomb and gohan giveing his energy and it wasnt enough. He stomped Ultimate Gohan with just his legs. Despite appearing to be in his normal state, Gohan, in actuality, is using the power of Super Saiyan 2 without the burden the latter transformation places on his body. @wushu59: I disagree completely. branxanny. Piccolo, Goten, and Super Buu all said Gohan was Stronger during the Buu Saga, but Kid Trunks Said SSJ3 Gotenks was close to Gohan’s power. Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku from Dragon Ball Super. We haven't even gotten into the comparison between Gohan, Goku and Gotenks. Gotenks wrecked Super Buu once he went all out, but Gohan wrecked Super Buu without even trying. The first thing that Super Buu did after he transformed (aside from cracking his neck and powering up) was to brutally kill the deranged gunman Smitty by going down his throat in liquid form and causing him to burst. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. 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